Question From A Reader
And nowwww, our next letter:
Hey Michael,
It’s Peter, I completed your Bootcamp a couple of months back, and I just wanted to say that you’ve changed my entire life around with women.
A year ago, I was lonely, depressed, and wondering if I would ever meet a girl that I actually liked and who reciprocated.
Well, you destroyed my old wuss needy frames that got me into those states, -those states were part of the whole problem, and you really opened my eyes to how the dating reality works with women, from making that first opening of the conversation to getting physical, and dealing with the (now) predictable tests.
I thank you for that.
Not only do I not think in those ways that lead to the negative “abyss” as you described it, but by also obliterating that inner wuss, I learned to dominate my interactions with women and I can’t believe how women love this!!! I have three women that I’m dating who are all fighting for the chance to be with me on Valentine’s Day, which is a bit of a problem, but the kind of problem that I’m HAPPY to have!!!!
I just have one question for you: I try to stay on top of my game by always learning more, and I read from some guy that says it’s important to feed the conversation to keep it going. This doesn’t seem to ring true from my experience, as I don’t try to feed anything at all, you taught me to just go with the flow and to realize that the conversation is yours before you even start.
What’s your take on “keeping the conversation going”?
***MY REPLY***
Very often in this field, my stuff gets taken by certain other supposed “experts” who then bastardize it with their ignorance.
This is one of those examples.
The REALITY, as you have EXPERIENCED in my Bootcamp and certainly now in your own life, is that ATTRACTION is NOT about “keeping the conversation going” or “persuading her to keep it going”, or persuading her to do ANYTHING.
You DO have to have a deep UNDERSTANDING of emotion, attraction, rapport, and building a connection, but it’s definitely not about “trying to keep the conversation going”. That is like a car that is already out of gas and trying to keep it going by pressing on the pedal.
There has to be ELECTRICITY in your aura from the GET GO, even as you are still laid back and chilled out. Without this, all the “how to keep a conversation going” tactics that you can ever have in the world are still like a guy pressing on the pedal and changing the gears but having no fuel in the tank.
Rather, success is more about STEERING the conversational VIBES to where YOU want them to go – so the crucial thing to know is HOW TO CREATE THE VIBES in the FIRST place. These vibes are the FUEL.
And creating these vibes is about not only creating a combination of emotional states internally in yourself, but also calibrating the woman in front of you, and then taking the vibes that she is bouncing back to you, and steering THEM in the right direction, all the while progressing the interaction.
This all sounds very clinical, but as you learn this stuff and practice it, it will feel FARRRRRRRR more natural than any “method” or “technique” for how to keep the conversation going.
Developing these states and vibes, and calibrating and steering the vibes that a woman “ping-pongs” back to you is a crucial part of what I teach and focus on.
If a guy is in “keeping it going” mentality, he is already out, because he is stuck on the OUTCOME rather than being in the MOMENT, which is soooooo key.
All that “hey, here’s some magical tactics to keep the conversation going” is just covering up the real problem.
The reality is that 99%PRCTG% of the time, when you START an interaction with a woman, it either HITS or it DOESN’T.
Even if she decides to TEST you and give you a hard time, you can actually WITHIN seconds usually tell if she is interested or not, merely because if a woman keeps on RESPONDING, it’s still usuallly INTEREST,even if she responds with a TEASE.
If a woman is really not interested at all, she tends to SHUT down all her modes of communication to you. She won’t look at you, talk to you, etc.
So again, if you have your game together, it usually happens rather quickly.
Otherwise, nothing happens at all.
She either FEELS attraction, because you the guy did it RIGHT, or she DOESN’T, because the guy did it wrong, or possibly because the logistics were ridiculous, i.e. she can’t hear him, or there is too much interference from human traffic, or she is seriously in a rush, etc.
The point though is that it’s IMMEDIATE. She can’t help it. If she feels it, she can’t help but feel it IMMEDIATELY.
And if the guy started the interaction WRONG, then she WON’T feel anything for him. And it’s usually too late to turn the ship around at that point. Especially for a beginner, he would be way better off to just start anew with a different woman.
It’s really sad how so many people don’t know what the they are talking about when they give guys advice. They end up confusing guys and putting them further BACK RATHER THAN AHEAD.
While we’re on that topic, let me clear up MORE stuff that the “experts” never seem to get to:
“LOGISTICS” are wayyyyy more important than most people realize.
One of the reasons it’s easier to meet women at clubs is because the women are NOT about to jump off anywhere, and because they are IN FACT THERE to get picked up, whether they say it or not. Not all the women, but many women are there SOLELY to get picked up, or at least PARTIALLY to get picked up.
The trick is to find the rare women who are out at the clubs but are not drunk party animals, as in general the more outgoing party types are the ones who are more likely to BE there rather than to do something more refined.
(The truth is, it’s not easy for women to meet the right guys, even women who are very attractive have this issue, so they try everything, including clubs once in a while. But every week, there are different women of quality who have decided to try clubs that week.)
So, you have a lot of women who are THERE to get picked up, who have the TIME to get picked up, and there is a place to sit, chat, relax, etc.
I mean, really, the logistics are great. Not all clubs have great logistics, but many, many, do.
Now, IF the logistics are not messed up, and she’s not in a happy relationship already, then your pick-up will WORK if you know what you are doing.
You will see her OPEN UP almost IMMEDIATELY to your pick-up. She will be smiling, attentive, and after just a little bit of your chat, she will CONTRIBUTE, SHE WILL HELP YOU ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you need to PERSUADE HER, if you need to FEED HER LOTS OF CONVERSATION, it’s a sign that either the LOGISTICS are screwed or the guy’s GAME is screwed.
More “ways to continue the conversation” won’t help.
The EARLY part of your interaction is the ENGINE for the rest. Without a great solid early interaction, where you smoothly open, pass through any shit tests, etc, NO AMOUNT OF “how to continue the conversation” will help at ALL.
The whole beginning of the interaction happens QUICKLY when done right. Usually you should be getting to rapport rather soon – and rapport is something SHE should be CONTRIBUTING to a lot as well, so it’s not like you need to feed her lots of rapport stuff, but rather it should be a give and take- like ping pong),
She will help you along at that point. So it’s not about “feeding the conversation” AT ALL. It’s about how you come across IMMEDIATELY and then keeping that vibe up.
Like I said, when you’ve been doing this stuff for as long as I have, for real, testing it on all kinds of women, in all kinds of venues, in all sorts of times, in all sorts of logistics from freezing winters and meeting women on the sidewalk that way to subway trains to malls to clubs to groups of girls to girls alone to party girl to academic girls, it’s sooo obvious to me when an “expert” doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Again, 99 percent of the time, if the interaction goes well in the beginning, it will continue to go well, because SHE WILL THEN BE SEEKING RAPPORT with YOU. In FACT, If YOU have to still be feeding the conversation and keeping it going, you are CLEARLY coming across as trying too hard and that will only drive her farther away.
Oh yes, and for total accuracy, I’ll even add HOW it will drive her away and what type of comment she will say.
ESPECIALLY IF SHE IS REALLY “HOT”. It will end up with the girl rather quickly saying nicely with a smile “seeeeeeeeeeeee ya!”. As I told you, women who are beautiful TEND TO NOT BE MEAN. So they will say “seeeeee ya” with a smile.
Here’s another thing that the “McDonalds” one-size fits all bogus philosophy of attraction never mentions:
For example, although the ORDER of the interaction never changes too much, i.e. attract, building rapport, etc, is the same pretty much in all situations, the fact is meeting a girl who is particularly physically attractive means she probably has had to develop a tougher and more instantaneous SCREENING process to get rid of guys.
So you have to be able to deal with that, QUICKLY.
And again, LOGISTICS are also an issue. For example, meeting a woman who you just saw get on the train, who is GORGEOUS, but on the other side of the train, and then you get there, and she gets off, and you have a second to catch her before she leaves into her place of work, the fact is her MIND is ENGAGED on where she is going, and the mere fact you had to physically rush to get there works AGAINST you, it makes you look needy, and most importantly, her state of mind is pretty blocked at the moment to pick up because of work.
And the FACT is, many times in life you will actually spot women who are gorgeous during the DAYTIME, but the logistics are sometimes very tough.
Another thing: Women who are attractive who are out at daytime venues may be more likely to AUTHENTICALLY not be single compared to women who are out at dance CLUBS! After all, clubs tend to attract SINGLES.
If a chick tells you she’s got a boyfriend but is out there shaking her *** at the club, that can be a total joke. But if she is on her way home from university and tells you this, it may very well be true.
Another issue that needs to be discussed is the TRUTH on WHERE to find women who are beautiful who are NOT party girls. You can be the most cool person in the world, but if you don’t know where to find the women that you are interested in, you’re not going to get results.
So you have to EXPERIMENT, you have to EXPERIMENT with locations, and not only locations, but also TIME OF DAY at those locations. You will have to try those locations morning, night, afternoon, and in between.
YES, THIS TAKES SOME EFFORT, but the question is, do you WANT success or not?
Also, SHIT TESTS, this is really one of the biggest things that guys need to truly master with women.
One of the other reasons why women SAY things like “I want a guy who is good looking, tall, blah blah” is because if nothing ELSE, then they want this.
But the thing is, even if you HAD “EVERYTHING” that they ask for, I SWEAR TO YOU that women would STILL shit test you, they would FIND THINGS to say that were not good enough about you, simply to make you feel that they are hard to get, or sometimes it’s simply because THEY are insecure and need to try to make you feel like you are not that great.
IN ANY CASE, the way to WIN at all of this stuff is to NEVER TAKE ANY OF IT SERIOUSLY.
What matters is the girl you END UP GETTING, not the MASKS she shows you at the BEGINNING.
And just about EVERY GIRL will give you SOME KIND of shit test in the beginning, whether it’s for good reasons or for reasons of her own insecurity.
And it doesn’t matter, because it all gets VAPORIZED once you PASS THROUGH these shit tests.
I’m not a huge fan of online dating, but I don’t EVEN LOOK at what the chick’s requirements are, because most of the time it’s MEANINGLESS.
But if you TAKE HER “REQUIREMENTS” SERIOUSLY, you will always lose, because if you try to satisfy those requirements, you will only be showing her that you are inferior, you will also ruin your own inner game, and also most likely you will get pissed off and start an ARGUMENT rather than simply KEEP UP THE VIBES THAT LEAD TO SEXUAL ATTRACTION.
A girl LIKES the fact that she says she wants A B and C, but you come along and DON’T GIVE A DAMN about it.
It says you are a MAN and that you KNOW your value is GREATER than any of those things.
The mere fact you DEFY her requirements is more attractive than if you DID have the “requirements” and tried to IMPRESS her with them!!!! The trying to impress her with them is nothing but insecurity, and THAT is an attraction destroyer.
Now, if you want to learn the COMPLETE picture on how to get results with women, then there’s nothing like learning from someone who knows this stuff and has the experience.
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BEYOND that, to take yourself to the NEXT level, the most powerful method is learning in PERSON as I take you under my wing in real life pick-ups.
I’ll first monitor your game thoroughly so I can find out exactly what it is that YOU need. I will CUSTOMIZE your coaching so that it’s most efficient for you.
I’ll EFFECTIVELY teach you everything you need to learn, so that you GET the skills.
I’ll find out exactly what your specific sticking points are and obliterate them. I’ll assess your body language and tonality and FIX it. I’ll feel out your inner game and find out what toxic stuff is going on emotionally and in regards to your beliefs and I will you get rid of it.
I’ll give you the best insights on women and then show you how it applies in the field as we pick up women together.
I’ll teach you the structure of humor, and more importantly, I will get your humor and confidence reflexes up to par, and I’ll develop and HONE your skills in reframing anything she says so that no matter what tests she throws your way, it only ends up making you even BETTER.
You will learn from OBSERVING ME, and you will learn from BEING COACHED as you WING with me.
When you finish this program, you will BE good with women, not just WANT to be good.
And if you haven’t yet got my eBook, then do that first, it’s one hell of a powerful book that will change the way you interact with women forever and is a great place to start.
The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women
Till next time,
Michael
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